tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post8377703507372803846..comments2023-12-25T01:24:48.957-05:00Comments on Republic of Gilead: The Botkin's "Ready for Real Life" Webinar, Part VIAhabhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14675629709031865432noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-75086808647423739642014-02-12T17:25:38.793-05:002014-02-12T17:25:38.793-05:00Botkin has a valid point about universities. My hu...Botkin has a valid point about universities. My husband is the director of the college of natural resource sciences and engineering at a university. He has chaired numerous committees for hiring faculty. He has taught and advised grad students for years. He'd be the first to tell you that although a degree is required, they are easy to come by and a dime a dozen. What is rare and possibly on the way to equal status is motivation, ability to learn, critical thinking, ability to work with others on a team, and communication skills- skills that the Botkin children appear to possess in abundance. We have talked about how a high school diploma is no longer required for college entrance, and how a college degree may someday not be required for grad school. Sallyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14078402714396140499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-43326801478744546152013-11-19T20:20:49.903-05:002013-11-19T20:20:49.903-05:00Anonymous -- The Botkins' advice is COMPLETELY...Anonymous -- The Botkins' advice is COMPLETELY unrealistic. Whether they like it or not, people need to get degrees from accredited schools if they want to have advanced careers. The Botkins want to have their cake and eat it too -- that is, be leaders without actually engaging the larger world.Ahabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14675629709031865432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-73318477413667994932013-11-19T18:40:31.217-05:002013-11-19T18:40:31.217-05:00I am thinking that Geoff old boy is really beginni...I am thinking that Geoff old boy is really beginning to be off his rocker. So if all Christians out there are supposed to shun degrees and if going to college is so "against the kingdom" what would be his take on, say, medical professions? He has talked (ad nauseum) about homeschooling children growing up and taking dominion of every facet of society, to include medicine, law, etc., but without medical degrees how does a homeschooler grow up and take dominion in that category? Read all the anatomy books and medical books he can, do a few surgeries on the dining room table on a "spare" dog, cat, or neighbor's child until he feels he gets it right, and then go hang the proverbial shingle out that says "Ben Botkin, MD"???? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-90830309307189219662013-11-13T16:47:35.064-05:002013-11-13T16:47:35.064-05:00NatureLover -- I'm working on a commentary pos...NatureLover -- I'm working on a commentary post on the Q&A webinar, and it's even more of this nonsense. They don't grasp the importance of degrees or specialized training, don't offer any advice for securing start-up money for business endeavors, and seem to think a widowed/abandoned woman could homeschool her kids AND support her family on a home business. These people don't live in the real world!<br /><br />You're absolutely correct. Christian Patriarchy Movement families are being sold a fake bill of goods here. When they discover that the Botkins' advice doesn't work in real life, it won't be pretty.<br /><br />Ahabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14675629709031865432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-46150906650707496672013-11-13T13:33:35.840-05:002013-11-13T13:33:35.840-05:00Wow. The Botkin family gives absolutely horrible ...Wow. The Botkin family gives absolutely horrible advice. Let me see if I have this straight:<br />Job choices:<br /> * Nothing that needs a degree - that blocks the majority of career paths right off the bat but totally eliminates a real career in medicine and STEM.<br />* The government is evil - that eliminates all local, state and federal jobs plus badly limits your customer base. No shot of a paying job in education, infrastructure, urban or agricultural planning, social work, justice, or public safety. If you refuse to accept government monies, you will have a hard time getting trained in skilled trades.<br />*Working for anyone else is evil. How young men are supposed to learn new skills without working for someone outside their family is never clarified. <br />*Starting your own business solves everything. I have a few questions about this. Where is the start-up money coming from? What collateral do these young men have access to? What skills are they using to run this business? What products or services are the men selling? Who are their customers? <br /><br />If the young men are supposed to join the family business, how are businesses going to grow enough to support the original (large) family plus the growing (large) families of all of the sons? My husband's family's farm has grown from supporting one nuclear family of 2 (manager/worker) adults and 4 kids to providing incomes for 4 (manager) adults and 8 kids in 20 years. (The four families also have spouses who work at least part-time). In the 40 years before that series of expansion, the farm could support one family of four kids. In bad economic times, one spouse would get work outside of the farm to bring in cash to keep the business running.<br /><br />I feel terrible for the next generation of these families. They are being sold a fake bill of goods. NatureLoverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16919335747836432630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-16603289611000317112013-11-11T18:38:21.742-05:002013-11-11T18:38:21.742-05:00Infidel -- It's sad. Evidence that fundamental...Infidel -- It's sad. Evidence that fundamentalist homeschooling doesn't work is right in front of them, but they refuse to admit it. And it's the children raised in this subculture who suffer the most from their invincible ignorance.<br /><br />Instead of fantasizing about a collapse that won't happen, these fringe right-wing groups need to face reality. They'll live much richer, less ridiculous lives if they do.Ahabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14675629709031865432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-72162768245189369132013-11-11T12:18:24.690-05:002013-11-11T12:18:24.690-05:00So -- these people shield their children from know...So -- these people shield their children from knowledge of the mainstream culture that they'll need to live in, and discourage them from learning how to provide financial security for themselves, and then they're surprised that when their kids grow up, they "find themselves being dominated by others"?<br /><br />And some of the products of fundie homeschooling "hide from the world out of fear, staying home and indulging in wasteful activities that aren't 'dominion-oriented'." In other words, those guys you read about who never grow up and live in Mommy's basement playing computer games or ranting on internet bulletin boards all day -- this is where some of them come from.<br /><br />As education, this is malpractice.<br /><br />Oh, and those fantasies of a collapse which will allow them to take over amid the ensuing chaos -- this is a very common kind of thinking among marginalized right-wing fringe groups of many kinds, not just the religious ones. If what I see on their bulletin boards is accurate, all over the country there's a scattering of semiliterate hicks stockpiling guns and ammo and gold, waiting for the United States to implode into some sort of Mad Max nightmare so they can emerge and carve out little empires for themselves. Those fantasies are all they've got. It would be too humiliating to accept that their present lives of yelling and fuming and waving Bibles, while the mainstream culture ignores them and marches on, is all there's ever gonna be.Infidel753https://www.blogger.com/profile/10965786814334886696noreply@blogger.com