tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post7040886177661026382..comments2023-12-25T01:24:48.957-05:00Comments on Republic of Gilead: Vision Forum's History of America Mega-Conference: Kevin Swanson Is Tired of LosingAhabhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14675629709031865432noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-90189567355784070842018-03-05T23:50:08.269-05:002018-03-05T23:50:08.269-05:00They should not teach Deuteronomy as a prime chapt...They should not teach Deuteronomy as a prime chapter to kids, but not for the reasons you say. That chapter records a lot of old laws that have been twisted, misunderstood and meant to be very temporary historically in any case. Sick idiots like Swanson, Phillips and Botkin abuse those historical records and try to apply them as rules today.Jennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04905272108326085380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-86486159873310511712013-07-23T11:21:00.601-04:002013-07-23T11:21:00.601-04:00Anonymous -- King Leonidas would have hated the co...Anonymous -- King Leonidas would have hated the conference too. Thanks for visiting!Ahabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14675629709031865432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-27063545790074440432013-07-23T10:25:08.078-04:002013-07-23T10:25:08.078-04:00This. Is. Madness.
THIS! IS! SPARTA!
Sorry, I co...<i>This. Is. Madness.</i><br /><br />THIS! IS! SPARTA!<br /><br />Sorry, I couldn't resist.<br /><br />I came over from Libby Anne's blog. Good stuff, thank you for attending and reporting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-65783821625754694772013-07-15T12:35:47.335-04:002013-07-15T12:35:47.335-04:00Anonymous -- Kudos on finding freedom from fundame...Anonymous -- Kudos on finding freedom from fundamentalism! Enjoy reading Hawthorne and Twain.<br /><br />I agree that Swanson's diatribes sound positively unhinged. It's disturbing that the fundamentalist subculture views him as an expert.Ahabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14675629709031865432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-31972189862629098162013-07-15T10:25:29.871-04:002013-07-15T10:25:29.871-04:00Thank you so much for your coverage of the confere...Thank you so much for your coverage of the conference. I am a former drinker of the Koolaid but have been set free for two years now. I like to keep an eye on these folks now that I am not milling amongst them anymore. I think Kevin Swanson is getting scarier by the year...he is beginning to sound positively unhinged. Reminds me of Johnathan Lindvall...you can look him up...he is the Kevin Swanson of my day in the movement. Although Swanson is much more plugged in with what I call the Royalty of the movement. Swanson is so vile and disgusting but I have to say I plan on reading everything he says not to...thanks, Kev old boy for the reading list!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-73711495311581870972013-07-10T15:14:45.083-04:002013-07-10T15:14:45.083-04:00"1 Timothy, 11 A woman should learn in quietn..."1 Timothy, 11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety."<br /><br />This is their favorite verse about women and men; women need to shut up and have kids, and let the men do the thinking for them. Look up Geoff Botkin's daughters, Anna Sofia and Elizabeth, and Scott Brown's daughter Kelly Bradrick.Shannonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06634060024753123717noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-19674666490351600082013-07-10T15:05:33.613-04:002013-07-10T15:05:33.613-04:00Shannon -- Ugh. What terrible messages to send to ...Shannon -- Ugh. What terrible messages to send to their children. <br /><br />I'm wondering if the whole women-are-unfit-to-teach-men line of thought is why all the Vision Forum conference presenters were male.Ahabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14675629709031865432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-21891175016251846902013-07-10T14:00:37.233-04:002013-07-10T14:00:37.233-04:00Swanson is as hateful on his radio show as he is l...Swanson is as hateful on his radio show as he is live and up close. He also believes that women are unfit to educate their sons, so he homeschools his son, and his wife teaches their daughters, focusing on home making and child rearing skills.Shannonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06634060024753123717noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-91858359191697144002013-07-10T13:45:34.173-04:002013-07-10T13:45:34.173-04:00Shannon -- A disturbing thought, for sure. My only...Shannon -- A disturbing thought, for sure. My only hope is that those parents and leaders fail at isolating children -- that those children somehow discover ideas and people that open their minds, in spite of their elders' best attempts to shelter them.Ahabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14675629709031865432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-10448316778880758272013-07-10T13:34:52.761-04:002013-07-10T13:34:52.761-04:00"When such isolated children reach adulthood ..."When such isolated children reach adulthood and leave their bubble, how will they navigate American culture if so many important ideas have been either demonized in their eyes or left out of their education altogether?"<br /><br />Their parents plan for them never to leave that bubble. There will be no engagement with modern American culture, because their parents and leaders will not allow it. Look at the Duggars. Except for Josh, those kids are never getting out of there, especially the girls.Shannonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06634060024753123717noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-23132873732640200942013-07-10T00:00:22.717-04:002013-07-10T00:00:22.717-04:00Anonymous -- I can only imagine how fanatical the ...Anonymous -- I can only imagine how fanatical the fringe fundamentalists must be in closed circles. I've been reading Religious Right websites and infiltrating events for years, and even I was shocked at some of the content of this conference.<br /><br />I hadn't heard of ATI/IBLP or ALERT, so I'll look into it. Thanks for the tip.<br /><br />You describe yourself as an ex-cultist. If I'm not prying, what group did you used to belong to?Ahabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14675629709031865432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-66934725125853030482013-07-09T23:48:18.428-04:002013-07-09T23:48:18.428-04:00Patriotic Vet -- He had hate in abundance, which i...Patriotic Vet -- He had hate in abundance, which is ironic for someone whose savior preached love. I need to listen to Generations Radio sometime and see if this is how he talks all the time -- I know Right Wing Watch has caught him saying some odd things.Ahabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14675629709031865432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-15381398249571674362013-07-09T23:46:29.511-04:002013-07-09T23:46:29.511-04:00Michelle -- If attendance at these events dwindles...Michelle -- If attendance at these events dwindles, I'm sure guys like Swanson will claim that society is degenerating. Or fundies are being persecuted. Or demons did it. They won't acknowledge that their own fanaticism played a role.<br /><br />As for Hester and The Scarlet Letter, he missed the point of the book ENTIRELY. Ugh.Ahabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14675629709031865432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-40819543244504426252013-07-09T23:09:55.763-04:002013-07-09T23:09:55.763-04:00As distasteful as it is, I say let this buffoon ke...As distasteful as it is, I say let this buffoon keep spewing his idiocy.<br /><br />The more that hear it, the greater and quicker he is totally discredited by the overwhelming majority.<br /><br />He is a vile excuse for a human, full of hate and loathing. Mostly for himself.<br /><br />Kudos to you, Ahab, for suffering through and reporting, so we didnt' have to ;) .<br />patriotic vethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06750975065627841662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-45594811399199093522013-07-09T22:28:40.110-04:002013-07-09T22:28:40.110-04:00You've only just scratched the surface, Ahab. ...You've only just scratched the surface, Ahab. That's your average fundie preacher, really. It gets a lot worse in more closed circles. Yes, they definitely would like to put "sinners" to death - they definitely would like to have power in our government and in the globe - and they definitely aren't joking about it. Ironic, isn't it, considering all the "one world government" fearmongering they do? They themselves want the same, and it's only scary to them if it's not under their fundamentalist regime.<br /><br />Fundamentalism is essentially the same across several religions. Just because fundamentalist Christians aren't actively blowing anyone up (yet) doesn't mean they don't dream about it. Heck, look into the Joel's Army stuff, and the thriving cult military of ATI/IBLP known as ALERT. I wish people would take these guys more seriously. They certainly aren't kidding around and I believe if pushed, these people are just unstable enough to potentially become dangerous.<br /><br />Just my opinion.<br /><br />- Ex-cultistAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-38089300121503690392013-07-09T21:29:07.756-04:002013-07-09T21:29:07.756-04:00This is unlike anything I've ever heard of, an...This is unlike anything I've ever heard of, and I've experienced some weird in my day. This sounds like the lunatic fringe...of the lunatic fringe! <br /><br />If this guy bemoans the lacking attendance to this conference now, I can only imagine how sad he will be when attendance is even lower. I, like you, have a lot of hope in our culture of information, and take comfort that some of the children of these people will spot the crazy early and often.<br /><br />I'm old enough to remember when Dan Quayle blamed Murphy Brown for feminism and the corruption of the family. Now we have to go back to Hester Prynne??? Fictional female characters and the chaos they cause... Michellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09591981716535134038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-26902633167459230052013-07-09T14:05:02.843-04:002013-07-09T14:05:02.843-04:00Lucreza -- I wish I had a nickle for every time Re...Lucreza -- I wish I had a nickle for every time Religious Right people have ascribed a worldview to evolution that's completely bonkers.Ahabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14675629709031865432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-26388727696430593402013-07-09T13:40:36.865-04:002013-07-09T13:40:36.865-04:00Call me crazy, but isn't evolution part of the...Call me crazy, but isn't evolution part of the biology department...which would be science? What the flying frick is up with these people always trying to turn evolution into a philosophy???lucrezaborgiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12301770958254113165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-49576425220265800512013-07-09T11:47:18.894-04:002013-07-09T11:47:18.894-04:00Wise Fool -- Let's hope this kind of lunacy op...Wise Fool -- Let's hope this kind of lunacy opens some eyes and forces people to confront the barbarism in many books of the Bible.Ahabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14675629709031865432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-21452503856924535062013-07-09T11:32:33.151-04:002013-07-09T11:32:33.151-04:00Infidel753 -- It's shocking to hear how these ...Infidel753 -- It's shocking to hear how these people talk when they think the rest of the world isn't listening. Their real worldview is disturbing.Ahabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14675629709031865432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-2269263627555222522013-07-09T08:21:18.261-04:002013-07-09T08:21:18.261-04:00It's a wonder how I managed to get corrupted w...It's a wonder how I managed to get corrupted without ever having read <i>The Scarlet Letter</i>! I had no idea it was so powerful! :-)<br /><br />If you know about Mark Twain's biography, he was more God-forsaken than demon possessed, which was probably a significant factor to his apostasy. He had several crushing tragedies to deal with.<br /><br />I wonder if guys like Swanson, as scary as they are and as frightening as it is to see any support for what they say, are actually helping in the long run. By putting forth the non-sugar-coated, unpolished Biblical world view, most rational people are sure to realize just how irrelevant the Bible really is. Or, at least, that's my hope.<br /><br />Thanks for suffering though this conference for us all, <b>Ahab</b>! You're our savior! ;-)TWFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06016277303703254572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-41067937545192881242013-07-09T07:14:18.926-04:002013-07-09T07:14:18.926-04:00Later, as I recuperated from the workshop in a nea...<i>Later, as I recuperated from the workshop in a nearby pub, I tried to digest what I'd just heard. Demon possessed authors? Capital punishment for adultery? Biblical slavery? A closed information system meant to stifle the minds of children? This is sick, I thought. This. Is. Madness</i>.<br /><br />And this is the world-view of a substantial part of the fundamentalist twenty-whatever percent of our country's population. You've just summed up the overall point you've been making all along with this whole blog. The country has a serious problem here. It's containable, but we need to keep that "wary eye" on it at every moment.Infidel753https://www.blogger.com/profile/10965786814334886696noreply@blogger.com