tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post4225666183408980314..comments2023-12-25T01:24:48.957-05:00Comments on Republic of Gilead: Australian Religious Right Uses "Stolen Generation" Rhetoric to Condemn Same-Sex CouplesAhabhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14675629709031865432noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-367480299544776552013-02-20T10:54:07.785-05:002013-02-20T10:54:07.785-05:00Buffy -- It's great to see you here again. Wha...Buffy -- It's great to see you here again. What you wrote is true -- I doubt that these groups truly care about justice for indigenous communities. American anti-abortion activists's use of the Holocaust as an analogy for abortion is one particularly disgusting example of disingenously using a marginalized group as a symbol.Ahabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14675629709031865432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-64698852228442748212013-02-20T10:51:17.628-05:002013-02-20T10:51:17.628-05:00Paul -- It's a huge distraction from indigenou...Paul -- It's a huge distraction from indigenous people's historical suffering. I doubt that these groups care about indigenous people; they just know that referring to them makes for strong rhetoric.Ahabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14675629709031865432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-49574647512271674202013-02-19T22:49:59.965-05:002013-02-19T22:49:59.965-05:00Ahab, I think the attempt of the Religious Right -...Ahab, I think the attempt of the Religious Right -- either American or Australian -- to link such things as abortion and same sex marriage to ethnic and racial violence and persecution borders on the obscene. Not only is the analogy logically fallacious, but making it distracts from the real suffering of those who underwent ethnic and racial violence.<br /><br />Thanks for a heads up on what's happening Down Under. Paul Sunstonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02462598852553696040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-66367329758834758012013-02-19T22:43:16.456-05:002013-02-19T22:43:16.456-05:00Typical RW hypocrisy. They take groups they typica...Typical RW hypocrisy. They take groups they typically marginalize and pretend, for the purposes of marginalizing another group, that they care deeply about the former groups. Once they're done using the Native Americans, the Aboriginals, etc, they'll go right back to ignoring them (at best) or actively oppressing them. Buffyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09328034026300036704noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-49900026169829198542013-02-19T18:27:59.070-05:002013-02-19T18:27:59.070-05:00Mogg -- Welcome! You'd think the difference be...Mogg -- Welcome! You'd think the difference between tearing children from their horrified parents and same-sex couples consensually bringing children into the world would be obvious. You're right -- things like informed consent and justice aren't considered when the Australian Religious Right uses "stolen generation" rhetoric.<br /><br />I hadn't considered the parallel between the "stolen generation" analogy and the Religious Right's anemic sexual ethics. Thanks for the observation!Ahabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14675629709031865432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-43123121280243102322013-02-19T18:13:30.696-05:002013-02-19T18:13:30.696-05:00That breaks my brain. Do the AFA really not see a...That breaks my brain. Do the AFA really not see a difference between children taken from their family without consent, and sometimes without the knowledge, of the parents and (often) placed in orphanages or used as cheap labour, and children born or adopted into a consensual situation to people who want to be parents? <br /><br />I came here via a link from Love Joy Feminism, whose author once wrote an interesting article on "acceptable" sex from the viewpoint of religious conservatives and progressives, pointing out that religious types do not understand the concept of informed consent. This failure of understanding on the part of conservatives, particularly religious ones, makes the leap between accepting gays and legitimising things like paedophilia logical and even inevitable, but to progressives that leap makes no sense at all. This attempt to liken the Stolen Generation to the issue of gay marriage and childraising seems to me to be a similar problem - they fail to understand that informed consent of the biological parent/s is the factor which makes all the difference in the world to whether or not a child is "stolen", with all the trauma associated with that particularly nasty bit of our history. No families are broken up or genocide of cultures committed in order for children to be born by surrogacy or donor to gay (or straight, infertile) families. On the contrary, such a child is demonstrably desired and planned for from before conception, and only exists because they were wanted so much that several people were prepared to help make their birth a reality. Hardly the same as ripping children from already existing homes and families by force or deception with no legal recourse.Moggnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-7488522976725298842013-02-19T16:38:42.849-05:002013-02-19T16:38:42.849-05:00Lana -- :DLana -- :DAhabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14675629709031865432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-3247168187769357012013-02-19T15:59:58.189-05:002013-02-19T15:59:58.189-05:00YESYESLanahttp://www.wideopenground.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-49333594350582163842013-02-19T13:17:38.542-05:002013-02-19T13:17:38.542-05:00Wise Fool -- I hadn't considered the microcult...Wise Fool -- I hadn't considered the microculture angle -- thanks! Religious Right activism is much like any advertizing campaign in that it tries to appeal to the emotions of its target audience. Both American and Australian RR voices are trying to stir their respective national audiences by referring to emotionally powerful tragedies. The problem is, it's tasteless and insensitive.Ahabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14675629709031865432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-4401549421511771742013-02-19T13:08:33.980-05:002013-02-19T13:08:33.980-05:00Ahab, I think this speaks of another disgusting re...<b>Ahab</b>, I think this speaks of another disgusting refinement of their strategy to present highly-localized and targeted messages to sway the local population. They've realized that a one-size-fits-all message isn't quite as emotionally effective as one that uses the micro-culture.<br /><br />In a way, that just further demonstrates how far they are from a solid foundation. For example, you don't have to go that localized math or science to prove them. They are appealing to emotion, not to truth.<br /><br />By the way, that was pretty messed up for the original "stolen generation," huh? I hadn't heard of that before.TWFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06016277303703254572noreply@blogger.com