tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post90890068712159764..comments2023-12-25T01:24:48.957-05:00Comments on Republic of Gilead: Manly Chest-Thumping ManlinessAhabhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14675629709031865432noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-87511403193716906882015-12-18T23:22:23.469-05:002015-12-18T23:22:23.469-05:00Zosimus -- Ha ha! Yeah, people like that fail to r...Zosimus -- Ha ha! Yeah, people like that fail to realize that gender norms vary depending on culture and era. Something considered masculine in one culture might be considered feminine in another.<br /><br />These rigid gender stereotypes cause so much harm, especially for LGBTQ people. It's time to ditch these harmful ideas.Ahabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14675629709031865432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-33023781865089796412015-12-15T11:46:27.788-05:002015-12-15T11:46:27.788-05:00As someone who suspects that they probably would&#...As someone who suspects that they probably would've regarded him as that most feared of things in fundamentalist Christian child-rearing circles - the dreaded "prehomosexual" boy - when he was growing up, I've long had a morbid (perhaps even masochistic) fascination with folks like these, particularly those who, like the ones you mentioned in your post, seem to have no tolerance at all for any kind of "effeminacy" in boys and men*. Admittedly, I've come across other fundamentalist-types who claim not to have a problem with people who don't conform to gender stereotypes per se, just those who take it to "extremes" by being gay or transsexual, though I'm never sure how many of them are sincere about this, and how many are just saying it to make their message more palatable to a non-fundamentalist audience (for example, while I've heard some of those who push the whole sham of reparative therapy claim that they don't have an automatic problem with males who behave in a more stereotypically feminine manner, I recall once seeing a video on YouTube by a young gay man who claimed that when his parents sent him off to a reparative therapy camp, the people running it regarded his love of art as something very disturbing that he needed to be "cured" of).<br /><br />As someone who was brought up Catholic (but no longer considers himself such), I've long been interested in my old church's attitude towards transgendered folk, as well as those who simply don't exhibit the stereotypical traits and behaviours of their birth sex. While they don't seem to have much tolerance for the former (indeed, their attitudes towards transgendered individuals often seem as Medieval as their attitudes towards gays), they seem a little more accommodating towards the latter, though I can't help feeling that they view them with a considerable amount of suspicion at the same time. In any case, it just makes me glad I no longer feel bound by their opinions on this (or any other) issue.<br /><br />*Ironically, when checking out the website you provided some links to, I noticed that all of the speakers at the conference you mentioned were clean-shaven, which is something that's been considered a sign of effeminacy in many cultures, past and present!Zosimus the Heathenhttp://yatgb.blogspot.co.uk/p/our-different-journey.html#Zosimusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-16616235723839668992015-12-14T20:31:57.017-05:002015-12-14T20:31:57.017-05:00Agi Tater -- I would have loved to see the panelis...Agi Tater -- I would have loved to see the panelists do that!Ahabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14675629709031865432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-26165656311308662352015-12-14T13:54:48.278-05:002015-12-14T13:54:48.278-05:00I too am offended by men who don't wear their ...I too am offended by men who don't wear their hats in a manly way. They all need to belch loudly and fart more often in public. Because the alternative is just gross.<br /><br />/s/Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05362339037879270082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-8183644050088347012015-12-13T10:23:10.887-05:002015-12-13T10:23:10.887-05:00Infidel -- If this "Biblical counseling"...Infidel -- If this "Biblical counseling" organization and its supporters have THIS much hostility toward LGBTQs and people who chafe under gender stereotypes, I worry for their clients. What could a client take away from this type of counseling except anxiety and self-loathing?<br /><br />Even if most of their followers are pastors, plenty of people still seek solace by talking to their pastors. In some congregations, professional mental health services are rejected as "unbiblical", leaving pastors as one of the few "biblical" options for counseling. Plenty of people could be harmed by this.Ahabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14675629709031865432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-81247737775371281032015-12-12T07:07:45.202-05:002015-12-12T07:07:45.202-05:00Having had the benefit of a real counselor during ...Having had the benefit of a real counselor during difficult times, I get a sick feeling at the phrase "Certified Biblical Counselors". How many avoidable suicides have happened because people in a desperate state fell into the hands of these people and their ignorant judgments, when proper counseling could have saved them? Luckily it seems that their "training" is mostly for pastors (I looked at the site), but they will still do a lot of harm to people who turn to them for help.<br /><br /><i>Jim, let me explain a few things.</i><br /><br />Unfortunately the problem with taking an ancient holy book as the source of absolute truth (of which this is an example) is that your understanding of the world becomes frozen at whatever level human knowledge had reached at the time the holy book was written. Anything that wasn't known 2,000 years ago -- evolution, cosmology, modern concepts of gender identity or sexuality -- is likely to be rejected because it contradicts what the ancient scribes wrote out of ignorance.Infidel753https://www.blogger.com/profile/10965786814334886696noreply@blogger.com