tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post7603228409010418473..comments2023-12-25T01:24:48.957-05:00Comments on Republic of Gilead: Complementarianism, Male Headship, and Domestic ViolenceAhabhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14675629709031865432noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-82583824631469762082014-09-17T21:39:51.724-04:002014-09-17T21:39:51.724-04:00Heather -- I hope those daughters recognize their ...Heather -- I hope those daughters recognize their own worth and find their voices. No woman should have to live in submission.Ahabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14675629709031865432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-43491803401778296622014-09-17T13:22:54.224-04:002014-09-17T13:22:54.224-04:00Back when my husband and I were active in the LDS ...Back when my husband and I were active in the LDS church, I was your typical very obedient submissive wife. My husband would always say things like "you're my equal," which is very liberal thinking for an LDS man. Its his example and his respect for me that we can raise another good man- raising our son. <br /><br />I watch many female family members who completely submit to their husbands, while raising daughters to do the same. Unfortunately this issue will continue on and on and on. Heatherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15224987243792978016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-11100583870074283352014-09-14T23:30:45.923-04:002014-09-14T23:30:45.923-04:00Agi Tater -- It baffles me when "male headshi...Agi Tater -- It baffles me when "male headship" enthusiasts try to square the circle and claim that headship is somehow compatible with healthy relationships. It's not. It's disrespectful to women and creates toxic power imbalances.Ahabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14675629709031865432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-4818667841451951272014-09-14T23:04:09.193-04:002014-09-14T23:04:09.193-04:00As you pointed out Ahab, the most fundamental requ...As you pointed out Ahab, the most fundamental requirement for any healthy relationship is mutual respect. The concept of male headship kicks that requirement to the curb from the outset.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05362339037879270082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-86820438141106959002014-09-13T18:03:35.112-04:002014-09-13T18:03:35.112-04:00Infidel -- That whole part about "consumerist...Infidel -- That whole part about "consumerist", "sexualized" culture was a way to distract people from the misogyny in complementarianism. "Over there! All the sexism and violence are over there! With the enemy! Not over here!"Ahabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14675629709031865432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-53294472966795989552014-09-13T12:59:22.155-04:002014-09-13T12:59:22.155-04:00the model of a husband is a man who crucifies his ...<i>the model of a husband is a man who crucifies his selfish materialism, his libidinal fantasies, and his wrathful temper tantrums in order to care lovingly for a wife</i>.<br /><br />I know there's plenty else wrong here, but somebody needs to call these people out on putting "libidinal fantasies" in the same category as violence, as if having libidinal thoughts about one's wife were somehow improper. I suppose he thinks women don't have libidinal fantasies.<br /><br /><i>As the culture grows more violent, more consumerist, more sexualized and more misogynistic</i>,<br /><br />Historically, violence and misogyny are correlated with sexual repression, not sexualization. George Orwell in <b>1984</b> had some very on-target insights into how this works.Infidel753https://www.blogger.com/profile/10965786814334886696noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-26499193964321433272014-09-13T11:55:07.070-04:002014-09-13T11:55:07.070-04:00Donna -- The problem is, adding the "as he ob...Donna -- The problem is, adding the "as he obeys God" line doesn't really fix anything. It's still a system in which men dominate women without any accountability. Imploring men to be pious doesn't make the whole thing any less unfair, or any less prone to abuse.Ahabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14675629709031865432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-27710137578380433732014-09-13T11:28:05.201-04:002014-09-13T11:28:05.201-04:00For years the Mormon temple ceremony included a pa...For years the Mormon temple ceremony included a part where women vowed to obey their husbands. Then around15-20 years ago the wording changed to "obey your husband as he obeys God." -- In an obvious attempt to lean toward gender equality. Only, as you point out, if the man's still in charge, there can be no equality. In fact, in the Mormon case, I've heard the "as he obeys God" line used as an argument against the woman.--She should have known better than to stay with a guy who doesn't obey… Well, you get it. Donna Bantahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01271377907141866718noreply@blogger.com