tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post7350888401398561125..comments2023-12-25T01:24:48.957-05:00Comments on Republic of Gilead: Lou Engle, Race, and SlaveryAhabhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14675629709031865432noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-5488337006619855432011-06-05T09:11:36.873-04:002011-06-05T09:11:36.873-04:00Libhom -- Sadly, you may be right.Libhom -- Sadly, you may be right.Ahabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14675629709031865432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-47608891580784050282011-06-04T21:12:00.008-04:002011-06-04T21:12:00.008-04:00Engle's comments are sadly typical of the raci...Engle's comments are sadly typical of the racism that permeates the Christian Right.libhomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05537213558568338561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-56877716249331861992011-06-04T13:20:11.370-04:002011-06-04T13:20:11.370-04:00D'Ma -- It not only reflects much about how En...D'Ma -- It not only reflects much about how Engle sees forgiveness, but it says volumes about how he sees race. Your words about holding a grudge ring true.Ahabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14675629709031865432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-810404236853693112011-06-03T20:19:00.546-04:002011-06-03T20:19:00.546-04:00I thought holding a grudge enslaved the grudge hol...I thought holding a grudge enslaved the grudge holder, not the begrudged. Typically the begrudged goes on about their life and business oblivious to the fact that someone is holding a grudge against them. It has no impact on them whatsoever. In my experience holding a grudge is usually way more harmful to me than it is to the other person. Engle just showed how out of touch with reality on the subject he is. Better to be silent and thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.Ruthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17313118060838041133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-59888144448391918802011-06-02T07:35:38.612-04:002011-06-02T07:35:38.612-04:00BBJ -- All sound points about forgiveness!BBJ -- All sound points about forgiveness!Ahabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14675629709031865432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-47283206397198298282011-06-02T02:23:53.951-04:002011-06-02T02:23:53.951-04:00No, Lou. How someone else feels in their heart abo...No, Lou. How someone else feels in their heart about us--especially people who aren't, say, close relatives or friends--does not impact on our freedom.<br /><br />Nor do we repent of sins with conditions attached to that repentence.<br /><br />Nor do we ask for forgiveness by telling others they have to give it to us, or they're bad people, just like slaveowners.BBJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09939946821381798057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-49756071596482513982011-06-01T12:38:11.465-04:002011-06-01T12:38:11.465-04:00Cognitive Dissenter -- Some of Engle's comment...Cognitive Dissenter -- Some of Engle's comments on race have struck me as beyond audacious. I'm eager to see how black apostolics react to his recent comment.Ahabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14675629709031865432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-79361491897618973722011-06-01T10:15:42.243-04:002011-06-01T10:15:42.243-04:00You're much too diplomatic, Ahab. You make me ...You're much too diplomatic, Ahab. You make me look bad. ; )<br /><br />Engle's comment was worse than out of line. It is analogous to what you pointed out in your previous post about the incredibly offensive rhetoric used in attempt to justify genocide: The murderers are the real victims. Give me an effing break.<br /><br />People like Engle make the rest of humanity suffer as a result of their myopic victim mentality and deeply ingrained persecution complex. Worse, I don't believe for second that Engle actually believes half of what he says. I believe he knows exactly how to manipulate those with whom that victim mentality and persecution complex resonates. His rhetoric is deliberately inflammatory and demeaning, IMO.<br /><br />An when Engle presumes he can sdpeak for black people, it offends me almost as much as when some a**hole like Doug Phillips presumes he can tell women how they should behave.<br /><br />Grrr.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com