tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post1173252046908379778..comments2023-12-25T01:24:48.957-05:00Comments on Republic of Gilead: Mark Driscoll on Infantilizing Male "Headship" (UPDATED)Ahabhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14675629709031865432noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-13834933299264774202013-03-09T16:45:44.890-05:002013-03-09T16:45:44.890-05:00Sheldon -- You'd think with all the evidence t...Sheldon -- You'd think with all the evidence to the contrary, conservative Christians would realize that goodness and faith are not synonymous. Ugh.<br /><br />Thanks for the link. I'll check it out.Ahabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14675629709031865432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-79128400174603391712013-03-09T15:18:25.794-05:002013-03-09T15:18:25.794-05:00From Libby Anne's article:
"Men are viol...From Libby Anne's article:<br /><br />"Men are violent and dangerous, he says, so trust your future to them. I’m sorry, what? Driscoll manages this by creating a dichotomy of “nice, protective Christian men” and “dangerous, violent non-Christian men.” Except that in the real world, it doesn’t work like this."<br /><br />He lives under the common fundie illusion that only Christians can be moral people, and non-Christians are complete degenerates with no morals.If he encounters a Christian who is an evil person, then his tactic would be to pull a No True Scotsman, or as blogger Heretic Husband puts it, No True Complemntarian:<br /><br />http://www.heretichusband.com/2013/01/john-piper-and-no-true-complementarian.htmlSheldonhttp://ramblingsofsheldon.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-60003871569552543452013-03-06T18:57:24.996-05:002013-03-06T18:57:24.996-05:00Lana -- I second that!Lana -- I second that!Ahabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14675629709031865432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-37711647808395189912013-03-05T21:02:41.211-05:002013-03-05T21:02:41.211-05:00eerrrr, this makes me so bad (at conservative thin...eerrrr, this makes me so bad (at conservative thinking)Lanahttp://www.wideopenground.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-1559837754226479362013-03-05T15:42:30.352-05:002013-03-05T15:42:30.352-05:00PN -- I second that blech. What a mangled vision o...PN -- I second that blech. What a mangled vision of masculinity!<br /><br />It still blows my mind that there are fundamentalist women who have been taught so much self-hatred that they EXPECT the men in their lives to exert dominance over them. Yeek!Ahabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14675629709031865432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-1427624121282881002013-03-05T14:22:47.004-05:002013-03-05T14:22:47.004-05:00It sure doesn't benefit the men who sincerely ...It sure doesn't benefit the men who sincerely want the best for their families. They do get burned out and feel alone in the responsibility for their families. One of the side-effects is that the more gentle men get not-so-subtle messages from their wives, books and sermons that they aren't man enough or taking enough responsibility. "XX's husband always initiates family prayers, but here I have to do it. Sigh." "If only you made enough money so I could stay at home where I belong." "You're asking your wife permission to come out? I just tell mine."<br />blech.<br />PN<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-4595754539676934492013-03-04T22:42:33.095-05:002013-03-04T22:42:33.095-05:00PN -- It must be crushing for women to live like t...PN -- It must be crushing for women to live like that, and for children to see their mothers squelched and then blamed when things go wrong. WHO does this arrangement benefit, exactly, except immature control freak men?Ahabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14675629709031865432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-58113279046983212772013-03-04T20:30:27.407-05:002013-03-04T20:30:27.407-05:00Anonymous, that happens very blatantly. If a marr...Anonymous, that happens very blatantly. If a marriage ever gets so bad as to end in divorce, who is blamed? The woman for not submitting. Mark himself blames the women for reading women's magazines and being more concerned with a safe community for their children than whether her husband feels cowed by the church leader.<br />I had to skip all of Mark's words as they were really triggering for me. I was raised to take that sort of talk as godly wisdom. Thanks Ahab for an excellent dissection.<br />PNAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-66358234037995254822013-03-04T14:43:20.479-05:002013-03-04T14:43:20.479-05:00Anonymous -- I suspect this takes place more often...Anonymous -- I suspect this takes place more often than not in the patriarchal relationships Driscoll advocates. Why take responsibility for a souring relationship when it's easier to blame the wife and kids you have under your thumb?Ahabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14675629709031865432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-59736973515146252512013-03-04T13:29:23.108-05:002013-03-04T13:29:23.108-05:00"When a company struggles or fails, who ultim..."When a company struggles or fails, who ultimately has to take responsibility? The CEO. When a nation struggles or fails, who ultimately has to take responsibility? The president, the king, whoever's in charge ... Let's say there's a military unit, heads out to war and struggles and or fails. Who ultimately takes responsibility? Well, it's going to be the highest ranking officer. "<br /><br />Um, wrong Driscoll. If the company fails, the CEO gets a golden parachute and will blame the underlings and lay off workers. Leaders are in a position to take credit for good things happening and for avoiding blame when things go wrong because in any unequal relationship, the person in charge isn't going to face the heat. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077809256320470141.post-56301664669463599512013-03-04T12:00:28.160-05:002013-03-04T12:00:28.160-05:00Girl from the Ville -- It's definitely strange...Girl from the Ville -- It's definitely strange to see religious leaders shoehorn people into rigid gender roles based on the Adam and Eve story. Leaders like Driscoll get so hung up on stereotypical gender roles that they forget that people are unique HUMAN BEINGS, first and foremost. Driscoll's interpretation of the Garden of Eden story is revealing. 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